Showing posts with label cheechoo. Show all posts
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Sunday, September 13, 2009

Sharks Fans and The Amazing Heatley 180

As we all know by know, the Sharks acquired Dany Heatley yesterday from the Sens, (as well as a 5th rounder) at the cost of Cheechoo, Milan and a 2nd. What has struck me most about this trade is that, up until it actually went down for real, the majority of folks on the boards I frequent were positively dead set against Heatley. Now that we have him, it's like fricking Christmas. People are riding high on Heatley's kite, and I am shocked by how quickly everyone suddenly decided that what had been a terrible idea all summer is now the best idea evar!

Doug Wilson went from a GM people had lost faith in to OMGWELOVEDOUGWILSON over night. I'm just...boggled.

Floored, may be a better word.

Ignoring all other issues, Heatley is not the savior of the team. A decent addition, to be sure, but he doesn't solve all our problems. We lack depth, for one thing and I'm not even sure we can dress a full team at the moment. (ignoring any possible promotions for the boys from woostah) And despite DW assuring us there's room to move as the season progresses, the team is back over the cap.

Stufflife and Plank had some GREAT points on this issue over at Fear the Fin, and I'm posting them below because they both covered it with far more eloquence that I ever could. (link to the thread, if you wish to read the points there instead)

Stufflife: What’s out of the way? We can’t field the team yet. Technically we’re over the cap in payroll, and that’s with Ortmeyer and without an injured Mitchell and a scratched forward and Demers and Joslin taking the #6 and #7 defenseman spots. We couldn’t even afford to bring up Petrecki (I think. My cap knowledge is spotty).

Boy, that paragraph is a mess. Let me try it another way. Ignore any specific line combos or pairings you don’t like.

Heatley – Thornton – Setoguchi
Marleau – Pavelski – Clowe
McGinn – Mitchell (-injured- hurt, need to call up a reserve) – Ortmeyer
Staubitz – Nichol – Shelley
no healthy scratch

Boyle – Blake
Vlasic – Huskins
Murray – Demers
Joslin as healthy scratch

Nabokov
Greiss

Capgeek.com says this is $57,349,163; that leaves a theoretical $690,837 in space, but I don’t see it, especially when the cap is set $56.8M.

I don’t see how DW can go into the season like this. Is there another move coming?

Plank:

The “theoretical $690,837 in space” is discluding performance bonuses. I can’t find the specific bonuses for either Blake, Setoguchi, or McGinn, but if they are on pace to hit them by the end of the season (20 G for Setoguchi, 30 points for McGinn etc.) then San Jose will need to make a move at the deadline. I explained it here if you’re interested (it’s the first question). I’ve talked with Mirtle a lot about bonuses this summer, and entry level bonuses (Gooch, McGinn) are usually pretty easy to hit- I assume they do it.

As for $.690 M in space, that’s probably enough to sign a healthy scratch on the cheap. DW doesn’t have to make a move now, but if the aforementioned bonuses look like they’re going to be hit, he will have to make a move.

I’m actually going to update this on the main piece- a very good point stufflife, and I wasn’t even aware of it before you inspired me to look at the numbers. Usually CapGeek factors in the bonuses when dealing with cap space. This might be the first time I’ve looked at it without them listing it.





I will reserve final judgement on the addition of Heatley, (as well as any other players we traded for), until I've had some time to get to know them and watch them on the ice. They're Sharks and I will cheer for them. Unless we get Pronger, that's not a fact that's going to change.

Ignoring my personal feelings regarding the loss of Cheechoo (who, to be honest, we knew was not long for teal) and Milan, and ignoring all the Heatley hoopla, I can accept and deal with this trade. As a fan, that is my duty. But I'm just boggled at the reaction to it. It's like suddenly all the Sharks problems are solved by the acquisition of one player. And yet I still have some concerns and I find myself wondering why it is that so many seem to be overlooking these issues.

I don't get it.

Tuesday, July 28, 2009

NO DEAL!

Past the parts of a wedding ignored, you shall find some info regarding what could have been a deal that would have sent Heatly to San Jose. Apparently SJ is on the "approved" list of teams Heatly would move to, but the trade wasn't good enough.

I am wary of Garrioch, but in this case, it seems very very likely the the Sharks have been going after Heatly, and were willing to toss players at Ottawa to get him. Personally, I (Gray) am not at all comfortable with Heatly moving to the Sharks. Skills aside, past performances have shown us that there's a good chance he'll want out in a few seasons, and we could be stuck having paid a potentially high price for a guy who had no intention of sticking around.

There's no way any sane GM takes Cheech and Ehrhoff for Heatly. That would have been a steal of epic proportions. No, Ottawa is going to want more. A lot more. Picks, another player? (I think they have enough players, but ignoring that) Our Captain, perhaps? (DW DO NOT trade Marleau for this guy. Seriously) For as much as we Sharks fan talk about attitude being important, we seems to be willing to glaze over it somewhat in the case of Heatly.

I'm just not sure this guy has the type of attitude we need to push us over the "wait, how does the post season work?" hump.


As always h/t to TCY over at FTF who refuses to be scooped by anyone.